“there is no platonic interpretation of this” yeah duh, this happened a couple thousand years too late for Plato to put in his two cents on it. He used those to pay the Styx ferryman in like 300-something BC. we’re not Achilles and Patroclus, dude. (Who he did have an interpretation of, btw, and the Platonic interpretation of them was “they definitely fucked and Pat was on top”)