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So i don’t think of myself as a knowledgeable scholar of ancient Greece

more an interested observer who enjoys collecting and connecting bits of lore as a hobby…. and has been doing that more and more, as I’ve slid deeper into the very classically-inspired Tron fandom

But one thing that’s intriguing me now:

I’ve posted before about the different kinds of love recognized in ancient Greece (Eros Philia Agape etc) and how I imagine they apply to the Tron world

And I’ve noticed lists of Greek words for love often include Xenia, which a host and guest are supposed to express for each other.

More a code of hospitality rules than an emotion, but definitely an important relationship in ancient Greece

And with Xenia being discussed more and more in the context of that Odyssey adaptation, I’m getting some half-formed thoughts about how Tron (1982) approaches that.

….I don’t exactly have time or energy or even sufficient ideas right now to explore it.

But just based on the discussion I’ve seen, I have a feeling it would be hilarious to try and list all the ways Xenia was violated by… MCP, Flynn, and basically everyone.

go wild.

From Wikipedia:
“Xenia consists of two basic rules:
"The respect from hosts to guests. Hosts must be hospitable to guests and provide them with a bath, food, drink, gifts, and safe escort to their next destination. It is considered rude to ask guests questions, or even to ask who they are, before they have finished the meal provided to them.
"The respect from guests to hosts. Guests must be courteous to their hosts and not be a threat or burden. Guests are expected to provide stories and news from the outside world. Most importantly, guests are expected to reciprocate if their hosts ever call upon them in their homes.”

(additional note, also relevant here: “Sometimes hospitality was unwanted or was given unwillingly,” as when Calypso or Circe tried to keep Odysseus captive)

ok so.

MCP is the worst host ever, of course.

Thus, in my own view, Kevin Flynn’s own violations of Xenia are pretty justified:

In a sense, Flynn’s relationship with the other programs he met inside the computer was also the relationship of a guest to host. In this specific detail we may be able to draw an analogy to the suitors being reluctantly hosted by Penelope and Telemachus, and how they treated Odysseus and Athena arriving as guests.

(Not similar in any other details, really. Tron, Yori, Crom and Ram were definitely not trying to marry the MCP, and Flynn’s response to meeting them was definitely not any sort of jealous rage. But in a way, they fit the role of established guests responding to the arrival of a new guest– a position where their place in the relationship of Xenia must be considered as both “guest” and “host.”)

(…At least, that is, if we are to consider them “guests” in the same way Flynn was considered a “guest,” during the time when all were held captive unwillingly. Not the only interpretation.)

(More on that later.)

Anyway, if Flynn’s fellow-captives are to be considered among his “hosts” as well as being fellow-guests of the MCP… the treatment of Xenia on both sides here is slightly better.

Which brings us to the alternate interpretation.

It may actually be more apt to assign the roles of guest and host differently.

My interpretations, up until now, have focused on the MCP’s captives being his unwilling “guests” during their imprisonment. However, before that, the MCP could be seen as the unwelcome “guest” who took over their house.

The ownership of the “house,” the Encom computer itself, is a messy thing, as corporate ownership tends to be. So is the question of who counts as a rightful inhabitant of it.

The MCP had canonically been there a long time –“since he was just a chess program”– but had only in recent times become a menace and begun to claim the place as his own. As a chess program, he’d likely been there long before Yori or Tron, let alone Crom or Ram.

He had also been there back when Flynn was an inhabitant of sorts, previously. (“Remember those times we used to spend playing chess together?”)

However, I would argue that he had changed so much since the chess-program days that… the parable of Theseus’s ship applies here.

And the villain who incrementally replaced that chess program could, in my view, reasonably be considered an unwelcome “guest” who abused the hospitality of everyone else involved– including all the programs and even Flynn himself, by contributing to Dillinger’s eviction of him from the shared “home.”

The ways this may change the analysis of Xenia violations here is an exercise left to the reader– because I have to go to bed.

thanks.